ATTENTION: Porsche aficionados! Another 911... [Archive] (2024)

Skeletonkey

16th September 2010, 19:34

Another 911...
:thumbs:

http://www.caranddriver.com/news/car/10q3/2011_porsche_911_carrera_gts-car_news

THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE.

Muti007

16th September 2010, 19:56

Nugget

16th September 2010, 20:45

You're watching the last gasps of the 997 as Porsche cleans out the parts bin to make room for the next generation 991.

That said -- the GTS is a pretty nice collection of parts and a lot more appealing / less contrived package than some other recent offerings like the Carrera Sport Classic. It's definitely built for the enthusiast market.

techguy

16th September 2010, 21:33

afc2112

16th September 2010, 22:40

passing you up

16th September 2010, 23:21

Skip Cannon

16th September 2010, 23:30

We saw a highly disguised 911ish car doing high altitude testing on Loveland Pass (11,990') in Colorado on Wednesday. Unfortunately we didn't get any pictures.

There were also two disguised Honda Civics up there, got a look inside and even the dash panels were covered up.

afc2112

17th September 2010, 12:07

We saw a highly disguised 911ish car doing high altitude testing on Loveland Pass (11,990') in Colorado on Wednesday. Unfortunately we didn't get any pictures.

There were also two disguised Honda Civics up there, got a look inside and even the dash panels were covered up.

Who cares about the Civics! I want to know more about the disguised 911s. I wonder which new model it'll be...

MyTrackToy

17th September 2010, 12:34

Nugget

17th September 2010, 12:45

It'll look just exactly like the old 911. Again.

I know! Isn't it great?!?! Plus, not only that, but it'll probably drive and handle like the old ones too, which means I'll love it as much as I do all the others*. Short wheelbase, engine hanging out behind the rear axle, and that delicious contradiction of exhibiting both crazy oversteer and understeer that defines the 911 experience. I wouldn't have it any other way.

* Well, almost all the others. Like most people, I don't like that one time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_996) they made a 911 that didn't look exactly like the old 911s.

afc2112

17th September 2010, 13:18

Who cares about a new 911... It'll look just exactly like the old 911. Again. [sigh]

Only if you're blind. That's like saying an NC looks exactly like an NA.

MyTrackToy

17th September 2010, 13:28

I suppose. Lots of people are obviously still buying them. I'm not a Porsche guy. I've driven a 2010 Carrera 4S, and it's a great car. I have a tiny bit of experience around them, have been on the track in them. But for non-Porsche-heads it's really hard to tell the difference between a 996 and 997.

I'm just hoping they come out with something uber-neat. That's not identical to the cars before it. :thumbs:

I know! Isn't it great?!?! Plus, not only that, but it'll probably drive and handle like the old ones too, which means I'll love it as much as I do all the others*. Short wheelbase, engine hanging out behind the rear axle, and that delicious contradiction of exhibiting both crazy oversteer and understeer that defines the 911 experience. I wouldn't have it any other way.

* Well, almost all the others. Like most people, I don't like that one time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_996) they made a 911 that didn't look exactly like the old 911s.

MyTrackToy

17th September 2010, 13:31

I'm blind then. Here they are. I'm not sure which is which.

111746

111747

Only if you're blind. That's like saying an NC looks exactly like an NA.

Nugget

17th September 2010, 13:53

I'm just hoping they come out with something uber-neat. That's not identical to the cars before it.

The cars before it are uber-neat so if that's what they aim for it stands to reason the new ones will strongly resemble the old ones. :)

Muti007

17th September 2010, 13:58

I'm blind then. Here they are. I'm not sure which is which.

111746

111747

The one with the fried egg headlights is the turd.

equiraptor

17th September 2010, 19:24

Chris_F

17th September 2010, 19:31

But for non-Porsche-heads it's really hard to tell the difference between a 996 and 997.

Look at the headlights. I myself am a freak of nature. I like both cars.

Angry Canine

19th September 2010, 07:51

Who cares about a new 911... It'll look just exactly like the old 911. Again. [sigh]

If it ain't broke....

Skeletonkey

19th September 2010, 18:09

I know! Isn't it great?!?! Plus, not only that, but it'll probably drive and handle like the old ones too, which means I'll love it as much as I do all the others*. Short wheelbase, engine hanging out behind the rear axle, and that delicious contradiction of exhibiting both crazy oversteer and understeer that defines the 911 experience. I wouldn't have it any other way.

* Well, almost all the others. Like most people, I don't like that one time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_996) they made a 911 that didn't look exactly like the old 911s.
:rofl::thumbs:

Only if you're blind. That's like saying an NC looks exactly like an NA.
:thumbs:

If it ain't broke....
:thumbs:

Notice I titled this Thread "ATTENTION: Porsche aficionados!"

Skeletonkey

20th September 2010, 19:13

FlyinM1

20th September 2010, 19:17

I've gotten the 911 bug again of lately....I'd like a nice simple C2S with the aero package since thats the one i can actually afford...

Jason

Chris_F

20th September 2010, 19:47

:thumbs:
911 Speedster
http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/257272/revealed_new_911_speedster.html

Sorry, much as I love drop top, open air motoring I just can't get excited about a convertable 911. Give me the tin can version please.

Muti007

20th September 2010, 21:13

Sorry, much as I love drop top, open air motoring I just can't get excited about a convertable 911. Give me the tin can version please.

Same.

I love convertibles, have owned one or another for many, many years now. Ill always have at least one convertible in the stable now. But I also love 911s, and IMO, half the allure is that roofline that no one can copy. I freely admit a 911 cab or targa would be more fun to drive and own, but for me, a 911 has a tintop and perfect lines. And that is not to be messed with.

Nugget

20th September 2010, 22:41

...a 911 has a tintop and perfect lines. And that is not to be messed with.

As a hardcore convertible guy I tried a 911 cab for a couple years but finally accepted defeat and traded it in on a coupe. It's just how they're supposed to be.

afc2112

20th September 2010, 22:56

:thumbs:
911 Speedster
http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/257272/revealed_new_911_speedster.html

2 thoughts.

-Stone guards look a little odd on a modern 911.
-They should put a black 997 Speedster on the new 90210, just for old times sake.

mts

21st September 2010, 08:16

As a hardcore convertible guy I tried a 911 cab for a couple years but finally accepted defeat and traded it in on a coupe. It's just how they're supposed to be.

I may have to learn the same hard lesson. I want a 911 but am a hardcore convertible guy. A couple years after having a 911 cab I may be trading it in on a coupe......we'll see.

MattAlley

21st September 2010, 09:16

Coupe all the way. The first 911 vert that didn't look abominable was the 993, but even so, it pails compared to the coupe.

When I scan through the ads in the back of Panorama, or the Sales Results in Excellence, whether I'm looking at SCs, 3.2s, or something modern, my mind just automatically dismisses the Cab and Targa (and C4) ads without so much as a glance. For some reason those are all deal killers for me, as surely as if the ad said, "Citroen-bodied Porsche 911..."

The Driver

21st September 2010, 09:30

We saw a highly disguised 911ish car doing high altitude testing on Loveland Pass (11,990') in Colorado on Wednesday. Unfortunately we didn't get any pictures.

There were also two disguised Honda Civics up there, got a look inside and even the dash panels were covered up.

Yes Skip, I need to learn how to use the camera... :confused:

The Driver

21st September 2010, 09:32

Who cares about the Civics! I want to know more about the disguised 911s. I wonder which new model it'll be...

The two door one was definitely an SI, and it looked sweet, well what was not exposed that is...

Hanzo

21st September 2010, 09:40

afc2112

21st September 2010, 12:29

All this nostalgia from Porsche lately with the Boxster Spyder, the Sport Classic & now the Speedster makes me think the next one they're going to bring back is the Flachbau.

Or better yet, a Flachbau Speedster!

Analogeezer

21st September 2010, 13:37

Coupe all the way. The first 911 vert that didn't look abominable was the 993, but even so, it pails compared to the coupe.

When I scan through the ads in the back of Panorama, or the Sales Results in Excellence, whether I'm looking at SCs, 3.2s, or something modern, my mind just automatically dismisses the Cab and Targa (and C4) ads without so much as a glance. For some reason those are all deal killers for me, as surely as if the ad said, "Citroen-bodied Porsche 911..."

+1

The 80's and 964 Cabs were pretty awful looking, top down they looked like you hung a couch off the back, VW Beetle 'vert style.

The new ones are a good bit better but in the way that Rosanne Barr is hotter than Rosie O'Donnell. :eek:

If not for the US Market I seriously doubt Porsche would have ever done a 911 'vert.

Analogeezer

Muti007

21st September 2010, 14:12

+1

The 80's and 964 Cabs were pretty awful looking, top down they looked like you hung a couch off the back, VW Beetle 'vert style.

The new ones are a good bit better but in the way that Rosanne Barr is hotter than Rosie O'Donnell. :eek:

If not for the US Market I seriously doubt Porsche would have ever done a 911 'vert.

Analogeezer

Actually, the top on the 964 wasnt all that different then the 993. It really wasnt until the 996 until the top was streamlined while down.

That being said, as I said before, 911s should be tin tops.

krodista

21st September 2010, 14:15

Hanzo

21st September 2010, 15:02

Just saw this article, kinda funny. http://jalopnik.com/5643790/there-really-are-20-different-porsche-911s-for-sale

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/12/2010/09/all_20_911_models.jpg

TheBigFish

21st September 2010, 15:06

krodista

21st September 2010, 15:43

the Speedster, imo, looks very bulbous in the back. I'll pass...

I agree, its terrible when you get a straight back view of one. Almost makes you wonder..."what were they thinking"

Chris Stack

21st September 2010, 16:14

I'd hit that Speedster so hard, a 924's toes would curl. I hate the "lip" on the leading edge of the rear bodywork on the regular cab, but the Speedster is hawt. Red with red wheels, just like the 964, for me:

http://www.deutschnine.com/porsche-911/porsche-history-images/porsche-964-speedster.jpg

Muti007

21st September 2010, 17:05

Just saw this article, kinda funny. http://jalopnik.com/5643790/there-really-are-20-different-porsche-911s-for-sale

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/12/2010/09/all_20_911_models.jpg

Theres more 911 models then Toyota has models total.

milo_x

21st September 2010, 17:14

Muti007

21st September 2010, 17:19

afc2112

21st September 2010, 17:28

Loved the Cargraphic 964 Speedster with the hardtop.

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/4260/speedstercargraphichard.jpg

Muti007

21st September 2010, 17:38

lawrence-lugar

21st September 2010, 17:46

Jalopnik reported that the new 911 Speedster will be priced at $265K

WHat?
I was thinking around 100, maybe a little higher...but nowhere near 265.

That's just ridiculous
.

TheBigFish

21st September 2010, 18:18

Now THATS a wide P Car rearend!

911's are booty-licious...the automotive equivalent of Ines Sainz.

Chris_F

21st September 2010, 19:05

Am I the only one that doesnt find the 1.7 inch wider rear of the S and associated models to be not that noticeable or special?

You're not the only one. The last thing I'd want to do to my 911 is put more rubber on the back to reduce that marvelous trail braking.

Muti007

21st September 2010, 19:27

Jalopnik reported that the new 911 Speedster will be priced at $265K

WHat?
I was thinking around 100, maybe a little higher...but nowhere near 265.

That's just ridiculous
.

The Porsche 997 Sport Classic is priced with similar stupidity and rarity. I guess thats the point. Make a few alterations, give them an entirely new designation for posterities sake, price them out of the stratosphere and you get free press, a few collectors that can afford them, and it leads nicely into the next generation.

Nugget

21st September 2010, 20:20

Am I the only one that doesnt find the 1.7 inch wider rear of the S and associated models to be not that noticeable or special?

Has to be at just the right angle and still I can't really tell the difference unless I look really closely. I boggle at the people who say it makes a huge difference in appearance, I think it's barely detectable.

You're not the only one. The last thing I'd want to do to my 911 is put more rubber on the back to reduce that marvelous trail braking.

The wide body 911s have the same amount of tire as the narrowbody cars do. It's just a cosmetic difference in the fender metal. Stock rear tires are 295 width, but some wheels (turbo, sport classic, gt3) come with 305 width tires. It's unrelated to whether or not the hips are widebody, though. The handling differences between 295 and 305 are imperceptible (to me, at least).

TheGeezer

21st September 2010, 20:49

Jalopnik reported that the new 911 Speedster will be priced at $265K

WHat?
I was thinking around 100, maybe a little higher...but nowhere near 265.

That's just ridiculous
.

I dig the Speedster, but I don't dig it 265K. But I would pay GT3RS money for one. :dunno:

The Driver

21st September 2010, 22:25

911's are booty-licious...the automotive equivalent of Ines Sainz.

I was gonna say J-Lo, but I must admit I like your choice better... ;) :D :thumbs:

equiraptor

21st September 2010, 23:56

The Driver

22nd September 2010, 00:05

Because objectifying women is FUN! So glad to know I compare to a car... and come up short.

Sorry if that offended you, but the fact is it has been done to cars since eons.

Please check pics of a 50's Cadillac bumpers, or the early 70's MG bumpers, and you'll see that I'm not BS'ing you.

equiraptor

22nd September 2010, 00:06

Something having been done for some time doesn't mean it's appropriate. Especially with the attached image, it's objectifying women, and it's insulting.

Any time a guy wonders why there aren't more female car enthusiasts, remember things like this. This is one of the things that drives women away.

The Driver

22nd September 2010, 00:11

Something having been done for some time doesn't mean it's appropriate. Especially with the attached image, it's objectifying women, and it's insulting.

Any time a guy wonders why there aren't more female car enthusiasts, remember things like this. This is one of the things that drives women away.

Fair enough, point taken.

Muti007

22nd September 2010, 00:13

Fair enough, point taken.

I disagree. Lighten up and if you have a great booty, awesome. If not, dont blame a Porsche, lol.

equiraptor

22nd September 2010, 00:17

muti, try hanging out with me sometime. I have no problem with guys complimenting women. My annoyance comes when the discussion treats the woman like nothing more than a pretty object. That's what TheBigFish did, and that's what I'm not ok with.

To oversimplify, it would be one thing to acknowledge the woman's writing while complimenting her rear. It's a different thing to mention only her rear, especially in a thread where the physical form of women is just... not the topic. This is a thread about cars, not women. If you want it to be a thread about women, go put it in the off-topic forum.

afc2112

22nd September 2010, 00:26

Chris_F

22nd September 2010, 05:50

muti, try hanging out with me sometime. I have no problem with guys complimenting women. My annoyance comes when the discussion treats the woman like nothing more than a pretty object.

And I'm annoyed that there's so much discussion about the 911's rear end. It's as if all that racing heritage just doesn't matter if the rear end is too big of the *gasp* headlights aren't the right shape.

:)

Seriously though I can see your point. However consider that Ms. Sainz has herself chosen a career based (in very large part) on her own objectification. It's not a role that's been thrust upon her. Do a Google image search for her name and see how many objectification images she's complicit in.

Like here. I doubt she was hanging out by some rocks when some passer-by snapped a candid photo:
http://sports.gunaxin.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Ines-Sainz.jpg

Chris Stack

22nd September 2010, 07:49

equiraptor

22nd September 2010, 09:02

Seriously though I can see your point. However consider that Ms. Sainz has herself chosen a career based (in very large part) on her own objectification. It's not a role that's been thrust upon her. Do a Google image search for her name and see how many objectification images she's complicit in.Consider that Ms. Sainz, her career, and her choices have nothing to do with 911s and are off topic for this thread (and this section of the forum). Would it be OK to post graphic p*rnography here, just because the women agreed to be a part of it?

There are appropriate times and places for different discussions. A forum whose goal is to be welcoming to all is not the appropriate place to talk about a woman's rear (any woman's rear, no matter her career choices) as though it was nothing but an object. It's a type of discussion that makes many women feel like they are no better than dirt. Whether you understand why we feel that way or not, whether you think women are being overly sensitive or not, it does make many women feel that way.

We deal with this all our lives. We struggle to be taken seriously, to be treated like the equal of a male just because we're both human, not because the woman has done something to prove herself. Yes, men and other groups face their own sets of challenges. And yes, things are improving. The challenges I face are very, very different from the challenges my grandmother faced in her young adulthood. But that doesn't mean there's no struggle remaining. Even if Ms. Sainz has chosen to make herself a sex object, please respect the woman who haven't made the same choice by leaving these types of discussions for other places.

Chris_F

22nd September 2010, 09:17

Consider that Ms. Sainz, her career, and her choices have nothing to do with 911s and are off topic for this thread (and this section of the forum). Would it be OK to post graphic p*rnography here, just because the women agreed to be a part of it?

There are appropriate times and places for different discussions.

Fair enough, I will conceede that point. Analogies between automotive design and other objects may be on topic in the forum (for example, Bengal's "Flame Surfacing" and actual flames) however there are limits to acceptability given the focus of this forum.
We deal with this all our lives. We struggle to be taken seriously, to be treated like the equal of a male just because we're both human, not because the woman has done something to prove herself.

There will always be idiots out there who discriminate based on any number of rediculous criteria, however you can't be made to feel inferior without your own consent. Those idiots deny themselves the opportunity of forming working and professional relationships with a whole host of very valuable people, and they do themselves a greater disservice than those whom they discriminate against (and ultimately they spare the victim from having to deal with an idiot on a regular basis).

Chris Stack

22nd September 2010, 09:20

Any time a guy wonders why there aren't more female car enthusiasts, remember things like this. This is one of the things that drives women away.

And remember that this type of wild overreaction to a pretty benign comment leads guys to be a lot less welcoming in the first place. Calm down already.

equiraptor

22nd September 2010, 09:24

There will always be idiots out there who discriminate based on any number of rediculous criteria, however you can't be made to feel inferior without your own consent. Those idiots deny themselves the opportunity of forming working and professional relationships with a whole host of very valuable people, and they do themselves a greater disservice than those whom they discriminate against (and ultimately they spare the victim from having to deal with an idiot on a regular basis).This is true. And one of the differences between my grandmother's time and mine is the discrimination is significantly less common. In most fields, it's possible for a women to just ignore the discriminatory people and move on, now. That doesn't make the discrimination ok, and it doesn't make pointing out the potentially offensive comments wrong.

And thanks to all of you who are willing to discuss this, instead of ignoring or flaming.

equiraptor

22nd September 2010, 09:27

afc2112

22nd September 2010, 09:28

Back on the topic at hand.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4082/4852898933_69cb8c9367.jpg

TheGeezer

22nd September 2010, 09:56

Back on the topic at hand.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4082/4852898933_69cb8c9367.jpg

So delicious

TheBigFish

22nd September 2010, 11:03

Because objectifying women is FUN! So glad to know I compare to a car... and come up short.

I am not objectifying women. To do that, you would have to show that I only appreciate their sexual characteristics and that through numerous examples of MY behavior that I see no other use for women (such as friends, respected colleagues, etc.) other than sexual objects for my amusem*nt. You can show neither so you are way out of bounds here.

equiraptor

22nd September 2010, 11:11

TheBigFish, I did not say you had a habit of objectifying women. Your comments about numerous examples of your behavior would apply if I'd claimed you made a habit of it, or if I said you were sexist, or used some other term that implied this was your normal behavior.

I said your single post was objectifying women. It is talking about a part of a woman as simply an object. That is objectifying women, in its most simple form. Please leave those kinds of comments for somewhere else.

TheBigFish

22nd September 2010, 11:18

TheBigFish, I did not say you had a habit of objectifying women. Your comments about numerous examples of your behavior would apply if I'd claimed you made a habit of it, or if I said you were sexist, or used some other term that implied this was your normal behavior.

I said your single post was objectifying women. It is talking about a part of a woman as simply an object. That is objectifying women, in its most simple form. Please leave those kinds of comments for somewhere else.

I respectfully disagree. One can appreciate the beauty of a thing without making it merely an object of desire with no other purpose. Your claims would be valid only if a pattern of behavior is established. Let me just say this, how many lines can you fit to one point?

rafterman

22nd September 2010, 12:09

So delicious

Why can't you complement the car without making a reference to food? That type of objectification makes food seem like just a piece of meat. Um, hold on...

Ragtop Girl

22nd September 2010, 12:25

The Driver

22nd September 2010, 12:40

Back on the topic at hand.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4082/4852898933_69cb8c9367.jpg

Does anyone remember the "Strosek" cars, because this sure reminds me of them.

Skeletonkey

22nd September 2010, 13:07

Where is the Car Talk in the last couple of pages? Please return to discussing the original topic. If you want to talk about anything else start a thread in The Water Cooler. Thanks.

Thank you, Ragtop Girl.

TheBigFish

22nd September 2010, 13:39

Analogeezer

22nd September 2010, 14:05

Actually, the top on the 964 wasnt all that different then the 993. It really wasnt until the 996 until the top was streamlined while down.

That being said, as I said before, 911s should be tin tops.

I stand corrected I just figured the 993 was so perfect between the 964 and 996 they must have fixed the "couch masquerading as a convertible top stack thing" on the 964 and earlier models.

I'll confess to not lusting after 911 Cabs AT ALL, so not realizing 993 versions had the ugly top is not surprising.

Analogeezer

The Driver

22nd September 2010, 14:26

http://www.thesupercars.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/2010-Singer-911-back-view-480.jpg

Who makes this resto-mods, that thing is sexier than... Oh wait... a fudge brownie... :O

TheBigFish

22nd September 2010, 14:33

Muti007

22nd September 2010, 14:33

Who makes this resto-mods, that thing is sexier than... Oh wait... a fudge brownie... :O

Im not sure what you meant, but its made by Singer. If you look them up, you will see just how amazing their work is. That car is artwork. They spend more time just on their seats then most do on their engines.

TheBigFish

22nd September 2010, 14:35

Skeletonkey

22nd September 2010, 19:57

I find it interesting that so many people are anti-convert.!

I feel the same way, to a certain point...
I love Miatas, but a 911 Cab. - not so much.... or just about any other Convert.

However, I'll take a late '50's Speedster or a 550 Spyder any day.

Perhaps, if it's built to be a Convert., I like it. With an exception being said Speedster.

I've never really cared for the Hard Top Converts but, the Bimmer Z3 version is very nice to look at...

But, back to the point of this Thread. IIHO, Porsche can do NO wrong.
It's the Car Manufacturer with the best record in Racing, the Car with the most "Movie appearances".

The shape of the 911 is a beautiful, timeless fusion of function and style.

With so many models to choose from, there's 1 for every one.:thumbs:

afc2112

22nd September 2010, 23:41

Absolutely timeless. Here's one of my favorite 911s ever: the Black Beauty II

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads7/Basic+RearAngle1142646338.jpg

TheBigFish

23rd September 2010, 10:47

Ooh...that is nice.

Absolutely timeless. Here's one of my favorite 911s ever: the Black Beauty II

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads7/Basic+RearAngle1142646338.jpg

Skeletonkey

23rd September 2010, 13:06

I just remembered that a neighbor of mine has a yellow, early 70's 911.
He did a Resto.-Mod to look like a Carrera RS. He calls it is "Fair weather car", as he only drives it "when the weather is fair"...

He Summers out of State, I'll have to see if he's back yet to snap some pics.
It looks like this...
http://www.fantasyjunction.com/img/cars/large/31596.jpg

How about 912s? So what that they have the 356 4.
It might not have the same sound &/or powerrrrr but, it does have the shape!

I almost pulled the trigger on one like this a few years back...
http://i00.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/108258032/1966_Porsche_912_Coupe_Color_Gulf_Blue.jpg

TheBigFish

23rd September 2010, 14:15

rafterman

23rd September 2010, 14:21

912 eh...Well I was going to say that's like kissing your si....but then, well, there could be consequences for saying such thing.

Well, maybe you could you say it's like kissing your brother. But not until next Tuesday.

rloewy

23rd September 2010, 14:27

MattAlley

23rd September 2010, 14:44

...with the claim that it is much better balanced than same vintage 911s, especially in the wet.

Well, they gotta claim something...

rloewy

23rd September 2010, 14:50

Well, they gotta claim something...

The issue is that this claim is made by people that own both vintage 912s and vintage 911s - which gives it some more gravitas, imho.

afc2112

23rd September 2010, 16:58

The problem I have with 912s is that you'll still be paying 911 prices for parts, since it shares most of its parts...

The cool thing about 912s is that it's almost like a hybrid of the 356 & a 911.

TheBigFish

23rd September 2010, 17:05

nicknick

26th September 2010, 20:42

Chris_F

26th September 2010, 20:53

Porsche really has to change the look of the 911, it has looked the same more or less for decades now. give us a new 911. Additionally I believe there are far too many variants of the 911 and the sheer number of models is just a grab for cash.
Disagree.

Except about the grab for cash part.

I'd like to see a new 912. Maybe make it the entry level P-car, priced below the Box. Slap a little Scoobie flat 4 in there, low rent interior, make a 911 for folks who can't afford the 911. If you don't want to dilute the brand, just put one of those slant noses on it or something. Or maybe 928 style pop up headlights. In this economy I think it would do okay.

On second thought, that's crazy. I guess that's why I'm not a Porsche brand manager.

bellamia

26th September 2010, 21:21

Because objectifying women is FUN! So glad to know I compare to a car... and come up short.

Absolutely timeless. Here's one of my favorite 911s ever: the Black Beauty II

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads7/Basic+RearAngle1142646338.jpg

YOWWWZZA!! NowTHAT is a Porsche!! So beautiful....

Nugget

26th September 2010, 21:31

Porsche really has to change the look of the 911, it has looked the same more or less for decades now.

That is precisely why people like me keep buying them. :)

Strebav8or

26th September 2010, 21:31

mts

27th September 2010, 08:00

Porsche really has to change the look of the 911, it has looked the same more or less for decades now. give us a new 911. Additionally I believe there are far too many variants of the 911 and the sheer number of models is just a grab for cash.

A grab for cash is a pretty stupid for a car company to follow these days, I'm sure bankruptcy is a lot more fun. :rolleyes:

DeanStevenson

27th September 2010, 09:09

A grab for cash is a pretty stupid for a car company to follow these days, I'm sure bankruptcy is a lot more fun. :rolleyes:

Porsche hasn't had any problems making money from their car operations.

Now when they started dabbling in finance and attempted to buy VW . . .

DeanStevenson

27th September 2010, 09:22

I'd like to see a new 912. Maybe make it the entry level P-car, priced below the Box. Slap a little Scoobie flat 4 in there, low rent interior, make a 911 for folks who can't afford the 911. If you don't want to dilute the brand, just put one of those slant noses on it or something. Or maybe 928 style pop up headlights. In this economy I think it would do okay.

I'm sure many would consider this crazy but it would damn sure work for me.

I can't stand it when posters like Nugget talk about how much fun it is to wrestle a 911 through turns by balancing both understeer and oversteer. 911 threads seem to pop up every few months and every time I see one I start perusing Craigslist and Autotrader. A few years ago I was convinced that I was going to pick up an air cooled model since it appeared their prices were getting quite reasonable, and then a funny thing happened, they started going back up.

I don't know if I'm too frugal or too cheap or what, but I can't seem to try and save the approximate $20k it would take to buy a $14k 911 and sink the $6k into it to fix it up. All that for an older car that has little use outside of me hooning around empty streets at 7am on the way to work. Well, okay, more than that but just the same, very hard to justify the outlay of cash in my mind.

I love the idea of an inexpensive rear-engined 911 style car. Subaru or Porsche, I care not. Seems that Subaru could throw one out at $25k or Porsche could do one at $30k. Someone posted a thread about whether or not we'll ever see many more rear-engined cars and it's a bummer that we may not. Another type of car that I'm surprised doesn't get built is an inexpensive rear-wheel-drive sedan. Seems to me that if one of the big car builders came out with something like these, kept it inexpensive and with few variations, they could easily recoup their costs and pull a nice profit. Isn't that what the Miata did all those years ago?

MattAlley

27th September 2010, 09:29

Porsche hasn't had any problems making money from their car operations.

Now when they started dabbling in finance and attempted to buy VW . . .

But MTS' point was that since when did a car company "grabbing for cash" become a bad thing? It is the definition of business. It is only a bad thing when the target market foresees it as a "desperate" grab for cash, or a grab for cash that doesn't offer them what they want out of the deal.

For example: pony car afficionados point to things like the Pinto-based Mustang II King Cobra as a grab for cash, a desperate attempt to get Mustang lovers to embrace the pitiful Mustang II by harkening back to the halcyon days of Mustang goodness. They would point out that a droopy body kit, bold graphics and a 130hp V8 do not a King Cobra make.

If Porsche were offering something like that King Cobra here, say a 190hp 2.4liter flat six, poorly screwed together but wearing Carrera rocker panel graphics and a GT3 wing, then yeah, that would be a desperate grab for cash and worthy of derision.

But in fact, the Speedster was originally a very low-cost alternative to the pricey Cabriolet model, a de-contented stripper that Max Hoffman talked Ferry into importing to the US so Max's racer customers could buy a lighter, cheaper car for racing. Ultimately, by hanging the 4-cam Carrera motor in it it became pricey and finicky again, but was always cheaper than a full-option Cabriolet (or Convertible D.)

The resurrection of the Speedster line in 89 and again in 94 was just the opposite: a pricier model with essentially no additional performance, designed to separate the faithful from a few more of their dollars and Deutschmarks than a standard 911 would. It wasn't "better" per se, but it wasn't worse either; just a different vision of the 911 that appealed to a lot of people. They have held their value rather nicely, indicating that posterity has continued to value them above regular 911s.

So the "grab for money" has always been a fact of life for Porsche; it is their raison d'etre, despite what some would like to believe. Yes, they love racing and use a lot of that "grabbed money" to support race ops, but they are still always looking to maximize how much of it they can grab. Get used to it.

TheBigFish

27th September 2010, 10:15

DeanStevenson

27th September 2010, 14:26

But MTS' point was that since when did a car company "grabbing for cash" become a bad thing?

Ah, maybe I misread his comment a bit. I thought he was referring to Porsche's flirtation with bankruptcy which was caused by poor financial management, not "grabbing for cash." I agree that making money is the point of a corporation.

MattAlley

27th September 2010, 14:31

I thought he was referring to Porsche's flirtation with bankruptcy which was caused by poor financial management, not "grabbing for cash."

Agree with you completely. At least as regards the most recent flirtation with bankruptcy. The 1993-1994 version was caused by selling overly-expensive handmade cars into a recessionary world economy.

Muti007

27th September 2010, 14:32

Porsche really has to change the look of the 911, it has looked the same more or less for decades now. give us a new 911. Additionally I believe there are far too many variants of the 911 and the sheer number of models is just a grab for cash.

It would seem you and Techguy studied at the same school. Apparently, there werent any books available so people just sat around making things up, lol.

Skeletonkey

27th September 2010, 16:32

Porsche really has to change the look of the 911, it has looked the same more or less for decades now. give us a new 911...

No, they don't.
If it ain't broke...
Porsche, please don't 996 again.

Skeletonkey

27th September 2010, 16:43

BTW, the Porsche 911 GT3 R Hybrid races at Road Atlanta on October 2 and it will be televised!

http://www.porsche.com/usa/eventsandracing/motorsport/news/?pool=motorsport&id=be341296-708d-4cf8-9bed-b2f1df07d483&lang=en#

techguy

28th September 2010, 18:43

Chris, I'm going to need to see more pictures before I'm convinced. :D

Yes, please!!! :jump:

Skeletonkey

7th October 2010, 16:54

Share your passion for Porsche for the opportunity to win a trip for you and a guest to the Porsche Sport Driving School.

https://porsche.promo.eprize.com/passion/

:thumbs:

ALSO, 1 more... kind of...
http://www.autoevolution.com/news/american-express-centurion-gets-own-porsche-911-special-edition-21948.html

Skeletonkey

30th November 2010, 17:17

Skeletonkey

30th November 2010, 17:35

http://www.thesupercars.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/2010-Singer-911-back-view-480.jpg

http://www.classicdriver.com/uk/magazine/3300.asp?id=14356

MattAlley

30th November 2010, 18:03

http://www.classicdriver.com/uk/magazine/3300.asp?id=14356

Full roadtest in current Excellence issue as well. A tasty morsel, to be sure.

jcharm

1st December 2010, 04:56

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/11/29/porsche-approves-cajun-mini-suv-due-to-arrive-in-2014/

You know I remember the justification for SUV's was that it was the only way they could fund sports car development, but with a base Cayenne starting at $46k is seems the other way around. There are no less than 20 different 911's currently for sale on their site - most north of a $100K - TWENTY. Couldn't they make say, 5 and then try something else? ...or are they too busy figuring out additional ways to secure a top to the Boxtser Spyder?

equiraptor

1st December 2010, 09:39

You know I remember the justification for SUV's was that it was the only way they could fund sports car development, but with a base Cayenne starting at $46k is seems the other way around. There are no less than 20 different 911's currently for sale on their site - most north of a $100K - TWENTY. Couldn't they make say, 5 and then try something else? ...or are they too busy figuring out additional ways to secure a top to the Boxtser Spyder?Because it costs more there's automatically a higher profit margin?

Actual cost of the vehicle is less significant than profit from it, and not just profit from a single vehicle, but rather the overall profit from selling the entire line. If the profit from a Cayenne is small but they sill significantly more, the vehicle's more profitable than a Carrera GT, even if the profit from a single Carrera GT is large.

Note: I have no clue what the profit from a Carrera GT was, or what the profit from a Cayenne is. That's why the paragraph above has the "ifs".

Daniel Dudley

1st December 2010, 18:56

Colinod

2nd December 2010, 15:00

Skeletonkey

2nd December 2010, 17:18

MattAlley

2nd December 2010, 17:23

http://blog.caranddriver.com/porsche-will-sell-911-gt3-r-race-cars-to-three-lucky-and-wealthy-americans/

Yet another 911 variant!!! Stoopid Porsche! Bad Dog!!!

Skeletonkey

2nd December 2010, 17:33

Skeletonkey

3rd January 2011, 19:01

What do you - Porsche aficionados - think of this?

http://www.worldcarfans.com/110122730187/2012-porsche-911---new-details-reported

Nugget

3rd January 2011, 19:23

I'm enthused that the next-gen 911 is rumored to weigh less.

That's overshadowed by my horror that the next-gen 911 is rumored to have a 100mm longer wheelbase and come with 19"/20" wheels.

The first isn't as good as the second is bad. A 4" longer wheelbase poses a big threat to the traditional 911 handling that everyone's loved all these years. 20" wheels sound awful to me -- I hate the 19" stock wheels on my 997, my 18" wheels are so much nicer and better performing.

There's no way to know for sure until I see what the car ends up being and until I can drive one, but I'm worried by the rumors.

MattAlley

3rd January 2011, 23:45

I'm enthused that the next-gen 911 is rumored to weigh less.

That's overshadowed by my horror that the next-gen 911 is rumored to have a 100mm longer wheelbase and come with 19"/20" wheels.

The first isn't as good as the second is bad. A 4" longer wheelbase poses a big threat to the traditional 911 handling that everyone's loved all these years. 20" wheels sound awful to me -- I hate the 19" stock wheels on my 997, my 18" wheels are so much nicer and better performing.

There's no way to know for sure until I see what the car ends up being and until I can drive one, but I'm worried by the rumors.

Hmmm, that article said the car was 56mm longer, but the wheelbase was only 10mm longer. Was that a typo? I haven't been paying much attention to tell the truth.

I don't think even your deftly calibrated ass could tell a 10mm longer wheelbase, Nugget. :D

Nugget

3rd January 2011, 23:47

I don't think even yourdeftly calibrated ass could tell a 10mm longer wheelbase, Nugget. :D

Yeah, all the other coverage has claimed 100mm. I assumed the 10mm in this particular article is just a typo. Speculation is that the longer wheelbase moves the car to a different class for CAFE standards and allows it to be less fuel efficient and still be compliant. Or something like that.

With my suspension on stiff I can drive over a dime placed at the apex and tell you if it was heads or tails! :)

TheBigFish

4th January 2011, 01:08

http://blog.caranddriver.com/porsche-will-sell-911-gt3-r-race-cars-to-three-lucky-and-wealthy-americans/

What a sequential tranny with electronic rev matching? How can that be any fun? :cool:

Skeletonkey

5th January 2011, 13:08

Keep them coming Porsche!
http://i.autoblog.com/2011/01/04/porsche-to-unveil-competition-spec-918-in-detroit/

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WildKarrde

9th January 2011, 14:10

Skeletonkey

25th January 2011, 17:26

MattAlley

25th January 2011, 18:40

& another!
Don't get me wrong, I love it!
http://i.autoblog.com/2011/01/25/porsche-murders-out-a-special-911-black-edition/

Now that's special! A black-on-black 911! Where do you sign up? And limited to 1911 worldwide, less than 600 North America! Wow, you really won't see your car anywhere else with only 600 black 911s made for the U.S. Well, with the special "Black" upholstery, anyway. And the brake calipers finished in the "Black" paint normally reserved for all versions of the 3.6 Carrera. They didn't say, but I bet you anything the tires are finished in that gorgeous "Black" rubberized finish you occasionally see on some of the high-end Carreras.

Chris_F

25th January 2011, 19:29

Hawkstrike

25th January 2011, 22:37

equiraptor

26th January 2011, 00:04

Skeletonkey

28th April 2011, 11:42

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=RXHNJGf3A5k

Please.

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equiraptor

28th April 2011, 11:51

That link wasn't quite working right for me, Skeletonkey. Is this the video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXHNJGf3A5k)? :)

Also, want. I suspect it won't be US legal (not with those windows, at least), but still... want. I especially appreciate the added front downforce.

Skeletonkey

28th April 2011, 12:04

That link wasn't quite working right for me, Skeletonkey. Is this the video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXHNJGf3A5k)? :)

Also, want. I suspect it won't be US legal (not with those windows, at least), but still... want. I especially appreciate the added front downforce.

Yes! Thank you!

Yes, the "Aerodynamic Dive Planes" are nice & tastefully done!

WHY!

28th April 2011, 13:06

I'll take it.

No graphics though.

WHY!

28th April 2011, 17:10

afc2112

28th April 2011, 17:19

http://wot.motortrend.com/files/2011/04/2011-porsche-911-gt3-rs-40-front-three-quarter-623x389.jpg

I admire Porsche for continuing on making cars likes these. Long live the 911!

Skeletonkey

1st September 2011, 16:36

afc2112

1st September 2011, 16:47

Nugget

1st September 2011, 21:11

Nice video -- I'm holding my opinion of the 991 until I get a chance to drive one, though. :)

FWIW, the front dive plane spoilers on the RS4.0 are available from PCNA. Just $700, and they attach with double-sided tape to the front bumper.

http://www.suncoastparts.com/product/RS40DPS.html?Category_Code=GT32AERO

walk

1st September 2011, 21:25

Meet the new 911....

Same as the old 911...

We don't get fooled again!